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The transformation from horse-and-buggy to automobiles was nearly complete in a little more than a decade. How fast will the transition to robotic cars be? 

Energy scientist Amory Lovins and others discuss the future of personal mobility. Nobody knows if it's a utopian vision or a dystopian vision.

Three important changes in the transportation business are pushing technology forward right now, said Lovins. Self-driving autonomous cars, which are already out there in test mode. Car sharing gaining popularity. And finally, the growing treatment of mobility as a service.

"Now those are starting to come together on your mobile device as public and private transport firms open up their coats so you can see where all the vehicles are and meld all of the offerings and pick the one you want," said Lovins.

As these types of services become more popular the way we treat travel, car design and even street design is going to change with the trends.

 at the Commonwealth Club of California. His guests are:

, co-founder and chief scientist, Rocky Mountain Institute.

, director of transportation policy at Lyft.

, architect and associate principal at Perkins + Will.

To listen to their discussion, click the audio player above.

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An exploration of the ways we'll get around in the future. The transformation from horse-and-buggy to automobiles was nearly complete in a little more than a decade.

An exploration of the ways we'll get around in the future. Self-driving autonomous cars are already out there in test mode. The transformation from horse-and-buggy to automobiles was nearly complete in a little more than a decade.

Amory Lovins on the future of personal mobility

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