What does Tillerson's departure mean for foreign policy?

This morning President Trump tweeted that C.I.A. Director Mike Pompeo will take over for Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State.

Mike Pompeo, Director of the CIA, will become our new Secretary of State. He will do a fantastic job! Thank you to Rex Tillerson for his service! Gina Haspel will become the new Director of the CIA, and the first woman so chosen. Congratulations to all!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 13, 2018

Is this move just another staffing shake-up in a tumultuous administration? Or does this changing of the guard mark a significant pivot in U.S. foreign policy? MPR News host Kerri Miller spoke with the following foreign policy experts about the change:

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Scott Jennings is a former special assistant to President George W. Bush.

David Schanzer is the director of Duke University's Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security.

Emily Tamkin is a staff writer for Foreign Policy Magazine

Andrew Bacevich is professor emeritus of history at Boston University.

Use the audio player above to hear the full discussion.