President Donald Trump has said he wants to pursue criminal justice reform, but Attorney General Jeff Sessions is pushing back.
Something to note: Federal prison population fell for the first time in almost 40 years during the last administration.
Quote: "We're talking about a saving of money, but also a savings of humanity," said Nicole Gonzalez Van Cleve.
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Guests: Nicole Gonzalez Van Cleve is an associate professor at the University of Delaware in the Department of Sociology and Criminal Justice. Holly Harris is the executive director of the Justice Action Network.
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Correction (Sep. 13, 2018): A previous version of this story misidentified Nicole Gonzalez Van Cleve as an assistant professor. The story has been updated.