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This week’s Big Books and Bold Ideas features a conversation with historian Kelly Lytle Hernandez about her new book, “Bad Mexicans.” It tells the dramatic and often overlooked story of the 

, the migrant rebels who sparked the 1910 Mexican Revolution from the United States, and how their escapades threatened to undo the rise of Anglo-American power, on both sides of the border, and created the world of fraught immigration we live in today.

To prepare for that discussion, here’s a selection from the archives — a 

 Miller had with Eboo Patel and Tamar Jacoby that examines how America’s history as a land of immigrants can be maintained under then President Trump’s divisive immigration policies.

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We’re teeing up this week’s Big Books and Bold Ideas conversation with historian Kelly Lytle Hernandez by throwing it back to 2017. That’s when Kerri Miller hosted a national call-in show called “Indivisible,” and in this episode from the archives, experts Eboo Patel and Tamar Jacoby tackle the question: Is America still a land of immigrants?

From the archives: How immigration shapes America

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