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St. Paul pastor testifies in front of Congress: 'No nation can build a true future on the terror of its own people'

Three people sit at a hearing.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (left), Attorney General Keith Ellison and Hamline United Methodist Church Rev. Mariah Tollgaard sit during a U.S. House oversight committee hearing Wednesday.
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A St. Paul pastor testified in Congress Wednesday alongside Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz and Attorney General Keith Ellison.

While Walz and Ellison answered questions about fraud in state programs, the Rev. Mariah Tollgaard turned the focus on the immigration surge in Minnesota. She is Senior Pastor at Hamline Church United Methodist.

“No nation can build a true future on the terror of its own people,” she said.

“Security built on fear will shatter the first time it is tested. Only a community that chooses love of neighbor over fear will endure — and that is still within our power to become.”

MPR News host Clay Masters spoke with Tollgaard about her experience.

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