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The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension on Tuesday released audio of interviews investigators conducted following the fatal shooting of Jamar Clark. 

The 24-year-old African-American man died in November, a day after a confrontation with Minneapolis police officers Mark Ringgenberg and Dustin Schwarze.

Last week, Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said he 

 the two officers, saying Clark tried to grab Ringgenberg's gun. Freeman said Clark had been interfering with an ambulance crew treating a woman initially identified as his girlfriend outside a party in north Minneapolis. 

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The woman the paramedics were treating was 42-year-old RayAnn Hayes. In an interview with a Minneapolis police homicide investigator the day of the shooting, Hayes made no mention of any romantic involvement with Clark. But she did say Clark was the person who injured her. 


In that same interview on the day Clark was shot, Hayes suggested she did not know Clark. But at a Minneapolis NAACP news conference Monday, Hayes 

 and a fun, energetic person. And she denied ever having any romantic relationship with him.

Also on the day of the shooting, Sgt. Twila Villella interviewed one of the paramedics who helped Hayes out of the building. Wesley Thompson said he saw a man later identified as Clark standing nearby crying.  

"As we were walking down she said, 'That's him. That's the guy that did this to me," said Thompson in the interview. "And I'm like, 'That's the guy right there?' And she's like, 'Yes."

Thompson said as they prepared to put Hayes in the ambulance, Clark got closer. Thompson got worried and called for police backup.

"I'm asking for police assistance because we have an assailant for a victim and it's not obvious that she wants to file any assault charges with us, 'cause she hasn't mentioned that at all," said Thompson. "But we know that we are now in close proximity to somebody who's been involved in this and we don't want them there."

The BCA also released audio from its interview on Nov. 17, nearly two days after the shooting, with officer Schwarze, who described a chaotic scene in the seconds before he fired his gun.

Schwarze said Ringgenberg, his partner, was on the ground trying to subdue Clark when Ringgenberg began screaming that Clark had grabbed hold of his gun.

Schwarze said his weapon didn't fire because the slide had been partially pulled back. So Schwarze fired again. 

He told investigators he knew immediately that he'd hit the suspect. 

Interviews with Officers Schwarze and Ringgenberg conducted Nov. 17, 2015

BCA interview with Officer Dustin Schwarze by MPR News

BCA interview with Officer Mark Ringgenberg by MPR News


The struggle with Clark that Schwarze and Ringgenberg described to investigators is at odds with statements from many witnesses. 

A crowd of onlookers had gathered across the street outside the Elks Lodge. It was getting close to closing time and bar customers were heading out for the night.


One of them was Lavell Bible, who was interviewed three days after the shooting. Bible said at first the confrontation between Clark and the officers didn't appear to be anything out of the ordinary until one of the officers took Clark to the ground.

"This is north Minneapolis. There's another arrest that's happening. OK, we'll just sit back and see the spectacle right quick and then it just went downhill," said Bible. "When he choke slammed him, that's what made me and a few other people across the street try and get involved. And I made a couple comments like, 'Man they're just doing it to make an example 'cause we're all coming out to show us we don't really mean nothing.'"

Bible said he saw one of the officers put cuffs on Clark before he slammed him to the ground. Yet other witnesses didn't see handcuffs on Clark.


Teto Wilson, who saw the incident from across the street, told MPR News last week that the officers had Clark pinned to the ground, was not resisting them and was in no position to reach for Ringgenberg's gun. Wilson said he could not tell if Clark had been handcuffed when he was shot, as some other witnesses said. 


The Minneapolis NAACP said the conflicting accounts of those at the scene point to the need for a new investigation. The civil rights group is 

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Officer Dustin Schwarze described a chaotic scene in the seconds before he fired his gun. RayAnn Hayes, the woman paramedics were treating, also identified Clark as the person who injured her.

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