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The deep ocean covers most of the planet. Gerard Barron wants his company to be the first to mine it.

That's been his dream since 2001, when Barron's then-tennis partner asked him to invest in a first-of-its-kind project to extract gold and other metals from a hydrothermal vent off the coast of Papua New Guinea.

"I knew very little about the ocean. I knew very little about mining," Barron told NPR. "But I was curious."

Barron, 58, is a serial entrepreneur from Australia who always seems to be in a different time zone — calling from Vancouver, London or Dubai. He's founded companies in fields ranging from finance to industrial manufacturing.

 didn't quite go as planned. The company struggled to attract financing and went bankrupt in 2019, though not before Barron sold his stake at a profit.

Along the way, he learned about a different, potentially more lucrative, opportunity: "The big game was this nodule field off the coast of Mexico."

That "big game" is a remote stretch of the Pacific Ocean, believed to hold massive amounts of minerals like nickel and cobalt. It would become the target of his latest firm, 

Barron argues that securing access to those minerals, which are used in defense and energy technologies, could help usher in a new era of industrialization for the U.S.

" This resource can help America become mineral independent, just like it became energy independent through shale and gas," he says.

That argument has caught the attention of the Trump administration. The Metals Company is now seeking approval for the project from federal regulators – the first time U.S. agencies have considered such a project.

But scientists worry about the impact of deep-sea mining on a little-studied ecosystem. And most other countries say these minerals, which fall beneath international waters, aren't even America's to mine.

The Metals Company is a relative newcomer to the mining industry. It was founded in 2011 and went public in 2021. It's backed by companies including the engineering firm Allseas, which designs much of The Metals Company's mining technology.

It is among a handful of mining firms eyeing the same stretch of Pacific Ocean between Mexico and Hawaii, called the Clarion-Clipperton Zone (CCZ). The U.S. Geological Survey 

 that the seabed there contains more nickel and cobalt than all known terrestrial reserves combined.

Barron, who became CEO in 2017, says mining in the CCZ is a no-brainer. Unlike traditional mining, which extracts metals from underground, the metals in the CCZ sit right on the seabed surface, bound up in trillions of potato-shaped rocks called polymetallic nodules.

"They literally sit there like golf balls on a driving range," Barron says. "We can pick those nodules up and turn them into metals at a fraction of the environmental and human impacts compared to mining on land."

In 2022, The Metals Company tested its mining system in the miles-deep waters of the CCZ. The technology works something like a giant, remote-controlled vacuum cleaner that sucks nodules off the seafloor. In that test, the firm retrieved 3,000 tons of nodules from the seabed, a feat unmatched by most industry peers.

By operating in the remote CCZ, Barron says his company can avoid the harms of land-based mining, which can include displacing communities or clearing forest.

"This is the perfect place," he says "There's no alternative [use] for this part of the seafloor. You can't grow crops there. People can't live there. It's perfect."

 on deep-sea mining until more is learned about potential impacts, and hundreds of marine researchers have also come out 

They say mining could damage a little-explored ecosystem where scientists still routinely discover new animal species.

"On land, we all see how destructive mining is. But on the seafloor, no one's going to see it," says Sheryl Murdock, an oceanographer at Arizona State University. "So I don't think it's going to be less destructive. It's that people are going to be less aware of it."

Murdock says deep-sea mining could destroy seabed habitat by removing the nodules on which sponges and other animals live. The operation would also create underwater plumes of sediment that may contain heavy metals, she says.

The Metals Company says its mining system is designed to limit environmental impacts. It plans to leave 15-20% of the nodules behind on the seabed, allowing some animals to recolonize the disturbed area. The firm says that its models suggest the sediment plumes would dissipate to background levels within two miles, only impacting the area immediately surrounding the mining operation. 

 finding that animal life in the CCZ is far less abundant than in many terrestrial mining hotspots.

Still, some manufacturers — including Volvo, BMW and Google — have 

 not to use ocean-mined minerals in their supply chains due to environmental concerns.

Some analysts also question the business case for deep-sea mining. Many EV carmakers have 

 from using batteries that contain nickel and cobalt. There's currently a 

 of those metals — even some terrestrial mines are going idle.

A ‘lifeline’ from the Trump administration

Just a few months ago, it wasn't clear any company would be mining the deep sea any time soon.

Mining in international waters is traditionally overseen by the International Seabed Authority (ISA). For more than a decade, the United Nations-affiliated group of more than 165 countries has been drafting regulations for a future deep-sea mining industry. Those regulations are still being negotiated – leaving companies like Barron's in limbo.

In April, Barron's fortunes changed. President Trump signed an 

 promoting deep-sea mining as a way for the U.S. to counter China's dominance of global mineral supplies. It also directed federal agencies to fast-track permitting for deep-sea mining projects, in both federal and international waters.

"The industry got a lifeline with the Trump executive order," says Dan Ives, a tech analyst at Wedbush Securities. "Everything else was kind of on a backwards treadmill."

The order also put the U.S. at odds with nearly every other country.

"The area is an international possession," says Leticia Reis de Carvalho, Secretary-General of the ISA. "Therefore, any activity without an authorization of the International Seabed Authority constitutes a violation of international law."

The ISA defines these seabed minerals as the common heritage of all humans. Dozens of countries have condemned the Trump administration's unilateral approach to mining them.

The Trump administration says it's not bound by ISA rules. The U.S. is one of the few countries that never ratified the treaty that created the ISA, though past administrations have generally cooperated with it.

The executive order seems to have buoyed The Metals Company's prospects. Its stock price has more than doubled since Trump's signing. The firm has also announced $85 million-worth of new corporate 

Barron plans to seize the newfound opportunity. Days after the executive order, The Metals Company 

 from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) to begin commercial-scale mining in international waters.

 it is "committed to an expeditious review" of the application, though an exact timeline is unclear, since the agency has never conducted such a review.

If and when The Metals Company receives approval, it will likely take 

 to build out a full-scale mining system, according to the engineering firm Allseas.

Deep-sea nodules were first discovered more than a century ago. Now, Barron says The Metals Company is on the cusp of hauling them up from the seabed on a commercial scale: "I'm certain it will be while Trump is president."

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